Wednesday, August 15, 2007

1&1 gets progressively worse

When you have a hosting company you expect it to do a few things right even if it cuts back on technical support (by the response time I guess they are high school students or part timers) and outsources its customer handling staff to India (where they work off a screen).

This leaves billing. After all it's your money and they have access to it in terms of charging you and if this goes wrong then what the hell are they doing?

A month ago I moved a domain from 1&1 changing registrar. So imagine my surprise when I get an email almost a month later with an invoice attached with their usual non-sensical parrot-speak (because, let's face it, the only conclusion I can logically draw is that they have all had group lobotomies at a cut-rate place) which passes for customer service at 1&1.

Dear [Customer],

Please find attached your invoice dated 12.08.2007.
The invoice appears as an electronic pdf document:
This pdf invoice can be read with Acrobat Reader. If you don't have this, it can be downloaded, free of charge, from the Adobe web site at:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Just double-click on the appropriate file to retrieve your invoice and produce a hardcopy.
If you have any billing questions, please contact the 1&1 billing department by following the URL below:
https://admin.1and1.co.uk

Here you will be prompted to enter your domain name and password in order to log on to your protected configuration area. Then simply select your contract and click 'Help & Contact', and the billing team will then deal with your enquiry as quickly as possible. It's that simple!

Please note that 1&1 does not charge for sub-domains.
These are listed only for customer convenience.

Kind regards
1&1 Billing Team
www.1and1.co.uk
P.S.:
If you chose to order 1&1's free software bundle with your 1&1 package, the shipping costs will be debited from your credit card, together with the amount due for your 1&1 package. Both amounts will be shown as a total transaction on your credit card statement. You will receive the invoice for the shipping costs with the software.


Notice the "1&1 Billing Team" moniker they are using a sign of one of two things (or maybe in their case both) that they are trained chimps and unable to use names, or that each email sent out is the laborious, collective work of the entire 1&1 Billing Department which means that they are all held accountable for mistakes or maybe none of them is because no one is sure who pressed the 'send mail' button exactly (the old Firing Squad trick).

I was so incessed by yet another 1&1 cock up to what is fast becoming a catalogue, rather than a list of errors and mishandlings (it does fill this Blog space nicely at least), I spent, yet again, my time firing up an email to them:

Hi. You just sent me invoice 7254XXX5 where you detail proposed charges for the next twelve months in advance for domain name www.XXXXX.XX which has been transferred to another registrar for over a month now and for which (seeing how you get paid in advance) you need to issue a credit note. Why is it that EVERY TIME I deal with you I discover ingrained institutionalised incompetence on an epic scale?

I do not expect to see a charge made for this domain. If a charge is levied I will take this matter up way beyond the next level of response because I am so fed up dealing with your incompetense. What exactly does it take to attain even a rudimentary level of customer service? Your complaints email address is a joke as no emails get acknowledged and NONE get answered and your billing has become ridiculous as it seems to reside in a land divorced from internet activities and any connection with what goes on in your clients' control panels and the company's database.

Acknowledge the amount you have refunded. Plus the fact that no charge will be made for this domain.

David


As you probabluy guess three days later and no reply. No charge either and I keep on checking because if one is made I am going to go to my lawyer as well as the banking ombudsman.

On the 15th I sent them this message:

Hi. On the 12th August 2007 - That's three working days ago, I sent you a very precise message regarding invoice 7254XXX5 which, in true customers-can-go-to-hell 1&1 style, has gone unacknowledged and unanswered.

Is there any point at all to anyone using these contact boxes to contact you? Are you really so overworked that you cannot answer or even acknowledge (beyond the autoresponder with its 24-48 hour message) emails? Or is it simply a case of such gross incompetence that your general behaviour and treatment of your customer base is going to create a new low in services which, in due course, will be one of the attributed causes to the demise of your company?

I would really be interested to know.

David


Ok, now all I need to do is hold my breath and face certain death by asphyxiation while they answer.

There's more with them.

I will keep you posted.

David

4 comments:

Unknown said...

I've been using 1&1 hosting for over three years and I say they're excellent. We have a professional account at work and I have a personal account for myself. I've never had any problems. On the very rare occasion that our site has had a glitch 1&1 have always been on the case quickly and resolved any issue in a very short time. With 14 years experience working on the web I can't stress how impressed I have been by this company.

It's a shame you experienced a minor administrative issue with them, but get a grip on the relative importance of the issue. If you do a lot of work on the web you'll realise that guaranteed uptime and immediately accessible and knowledgeable support, the odd misprinted bill shouldn't be allowed to decry the company's extremely good performance.

David Amerland said...

EZ, thank you for your post and I appreciate the time it took you to read what I have here and respond. A few points: first, I am an experienced online user making a living on the web. When I decide to spend time and energy outing the incredibly frustrating experience from a company which I used to be a long-standing customer and advocate of, I have done so for more than just "a minor administrative issue".

As far as anyone who buys a service is concerned overcharging and false charging is not minor but rather indicative of poor practices and a total lack of respect for the customer.

Secondly, because I have direct, extensive experience of 1&1 and the way it deals with any client enquiry I know, as well as you, I imagine, that any email you send to them receives an instant autoresponder alert and a canned reply from their Indian operatives who pull it off the knowledge base. Anything that is outside that scope requires the English-based admins to respond and they take decidedly longer than 48 hours.

Thirdly you state that "On the very rare occasion that our site has had a glitch" - now EZ, I know about web development and web maintance. Sites develop glitches only if you change the programming or, in the case of dynamic sites, you add modules which conflict with the database programming, or the server profile changes and affects your existing website setup. In either of these cases 1&1 has a "sorry you are on your own here, Jack" policy. They will not get involved in anything that has to do with the web programming you employ and they will not change shared-server configuration if your site is affected by changes they have made "for the greater good". They will not even respond properly when there has been a clearly documented case of website's being hacked through security loopholes for which the server admin staff are responsible (adn as it happen I have a very clearly documented case on this as well). So, here I am beginning to suspect that either you are one in a billion, or you are simply 'massaging' the effect my post is having on 1&1's reputation.

Either way EZ the Blog is here to stay and, first available free moment I get, the above mentioned documented case of gross negligence and unhelpfulness regarding the hacked site case will also go up.

Anonymous said...

lol

Anonymous said...

1&1 'webmail 2.0' is so awful I am going to cancel my account.

But now I find out how difficult it is to get away from 1and1.

It requires a visit to a separate, hard to find, site - https://contract.oneandone.co.uk/

I was happy with my original service - a basic '.co.uk' domain and email,

but their new email is poor in several ways.

I do not trust companies who make it difficult to stop paying them,
or who offer a worse product as 'new and improved'.

As a >50-year old, one thing I have learned in life is - trust your instincts.

I no longer trust oneandone.co.uk